Panthers and tigers were usually given to new t Great page on a great site. Thanks for the ton (it’s funny because tanks are heavy) of info- i use this as a reference for my die cast models before i post photos…. I could not find further information. Early series also saw extra 25 mm (1 in) thick applique armor welded over the ammo storage bins and the turret gunner position, later removed. He also earned a Master of Strategic Studies from the U.S. Army War College in 2010. The Sherman’s 75 would not penetrate the frontal armor of Panther, Tiger 1 or Tiger 2 with the barrel at point blank range. The Ram tank did not see combat except as a headquarters communications tank serving with some Canadian tank squadrons, and as modified by the removal of it’s turret to become the allies first APC known as the “Kangaroo”. And like you, my grandfather died when I was also very young. As Kalashnikov quipped “perfect is the enemy of the good”. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. For people who don’t know what that refers to, that means nothing at all, just confuses them. performance. The engine compartment contained two fixed large fire extinguishers, manned by a crewmember from the fighting compartment. The upper hull, at first cast, was later welded, with a well-sloped glacis, flat sides and slightly sloped engine compartment roof, making a characteristic tumblehome culminating just below the main turret. Fine large scale M4 photos on the Shadock It appeared quickly that the punch of a solid HE round was also more than adequate in many tank to tank engagements against German armor. If your research is as good as your spelling, you’ll do fine. NASHVILLE, Tenn. – After nearly 37 years of service, Brig. The Tiger had the same modern suspension the Panther and Tiger II had. First introduced in Italy as a turretless Sherman equipped with a frame-supported assault bridge with a rear counterweight. The M1 that went into combat in Kuwait in 1991 and again in Iraq in 2003 had no superior and it worked as required. His company was assigned to the 101st Airborne Division and broke the border berm into enemy territory, building a two-lane road. M4 Dozer: M4 fitted, in 1943, with a hydraulic dozer blade from a Caterpillar D8. So from what i can see is if either Russians or the American (And allies) were not were they were than the other side would be fucked. Out of all the tanks they had T-34-85, leopard tanks, Chieftan, Scorpion, and a few others I’m having trouble recalling the Sherman had the most room in the interior for the crew. try and find what seems accurate to you, I think the only Sherman series that had over 100 millimeters of frontal armor were the Jumbos, If the Sherman was angled 60 degrees the tigers 88 and panthers 75 couldn’t penetrate the Sherman’s armor and this was said by a German tanker the Sherman was a good tank but one of the faults was the Sherman’s ammunition was breaking against the tigers and panthers armor by the weak metals used in Ap rounds and bad ammunition placement and Patton refused to use the Pershing because his view was for the battle proven Sherman And USA battle doctrine for tanks was to support infantry not fight tanks and the Pershing shot right through t34s in Korea but don’t go downing it for it flaws it don’t matter long as its gets the job done. The Upper hull of the M4 M4A2 and M4A3 were welded hulls and had direct vision ports for the driver and hull machine gunner and also had three .30 caliber machine guns side by side one in a ball mount and two mounted on trays barrels went through slots cut into front hull armor,these two were quickly done away with._and only the ball mount remained. He recommends that you join this Facebook group M4A1 late production, 7th Infantry Division, Ebeye Island, Pacific, part of the Kwajalein Atoll, Marshall Islands, January-February 1944. It’s the Sherman with “To Berlin!” on the side of the tank. Early models had the three-piece bolted nose, while later models had a mixed cast/rolled hull. The weight rose to 33.3 tons. The “what’s better” argument, be it firearms, aircraft, or tanks always devolves into this sort of navel gazing. Sherman M4A1(76)W, 11th Tank Battalion of the 10th Armored Division, Ardennes, January 1945. The upper hull, at first welded, was cast and rounded on the M4A1. See new Jumbo and T6 articles (and more to come). By the time (1942) there was an urgent need for a more competitive American tank, it was apparent that a larger gun like the Lee’s 75mm was necssary to deal with the then most prevelant German Mk III and Mk IV tanks. They had a six transmission that was a Russian bear to operate and was unreliable,_On Road marches they would have to stop them and cool them, Their main gun ammunition also had issues. It 88mm/L72 main gun could and did obliterate the M4 at any range and any angle of attack. So it´s not a miracle that the Russians had terrible losses, hated the Germans from the deep of their hard and pay it back when ever possible. 155 mm Gun Motor Carriage M40: This self-propelled gun used the “Long Tom” (155 mm/6.1 in) artillery piece and was assisted by the T30 cargo ammunition carrier. Just like the M3 Lee, the Sherman’s suspension was of the VVSS (Vertical Volute Spring Suspension) type. It was our war time Panther then and unreliable. The final running drive problem of the Panther is well known. Thus a useful compromise and a powerful addition in close assault mode. A portion of the proceeds from this purchase will support Tank Encyclopedia, a military history research project. Widely used in many theaters of war to create airfields and base camps in wooden or jungle areas. Fired up to 60 113 mm (4.45 in) (E1) or 183 mm (7.2 in) (E2) rockets. This category only includes cookies that ensures basic functionalities and security features of the website. The decimal point is off, the value should be about 2.02 gal/mi. The M10 GMC was armed with a 3 in gun (76.2 mm), being the first of the famous trio of US tank destroyers. Some have different tops, some different bases: On early models, direct vision slits, protected by thick bulletproof glass and hinged covers, were provided to the driver and assistant, but later eliminated due to wartime experience of bullet splashes. I would love to see separate articles for the M4A3E8, M4A3 (105), and the M4A3R2 Zippo, and in general, all of the variants of the M4. It probably never reached the level of reliability that was the hallmark of the Sherman but I would guess that had Aberdeen tested a Brit tank they would have determined similar problems.as with the T-34. Those who wish to know more might look further online: Well remember, US armor doctrine in this period dictated that tanks weren’t supposed to engage other tanks… that was the job of tank destroyers. He then goes through the reasons why it was fought against by ordnance (we want Pershing) and Armour Force, ie general McNair (tanks don’t fight tanks, that is artillery and Tank destryor). First stationed in Cornwall, in … And it’s a staggering statement of military ignorance to say that a tank should not be reliable or easy to maintain. The Sherman,though incredible against Japanese armor, were terribly inferior to the German heavy tanks. Many other factors inferior factors were as a result of the American advantage in metallurgy and engineering. etc.”. The Tiger I, the most feared name in World War II’s ground combat, had a staggering 19:1 Kill ratio. Panzer kampfwagen Mark III’s with the 5cm L60 gun could kill T34’s they just had to get in a little closer. Thank you for considering this. Most late war german tanks in a one-on-one fight could defeat any allied tank at the time. That is why it is listed as “Wolverine” with the quotation marks. Even fitting Tiger final drive to the Panther would have fixed the issue. Additional armor plate was often welded in front of the driver and co/driver’s position at the front of the tank and at the side to give them greater protection. The famous Sherman Firefly was, in fact, a British project, equipped with the QF 17-pdr (76.2 mm/3 in) gun. I have the Jumbo listed. Even in the close country of the bocage, where the M4 might be within its lethal range at the outset of an engagement, the Panther proved the better tank. Sherman Mk.III, 3rd County of London Yeomanry (3rd CLY), Italy, Winter line sector, fall 1943. Chill with this cool Sherman shirt. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. There is no adequate literal translation of ‘Chasseurs d’Afrique.’ The M4A3 was first delivered by the Ford Motor Company in June 1942, alone delivering 1690 machines by September 1943. With the gross loped sided material forces opposed against the Germans by mid 1944 the attributes of no vehicle or machine is going to overcome the gross numbers but when making comparable vehicle comparisons any comparison is invalid that doesn’t do that on a one for one basis. Thanks guys! Publication - The 1st Infantry Division Post. Thx Without a vast reserve of trained crews to absorb losses, which would in turn have entailed the reduction of either the Pacific Campaign (impossible) or the European Strategic Bombing Campaign (unlikely), the M4 was not successful against German opposition after the close of 1943. The armor was 76 mm (3 in) thick on the nose and upper glacis, 51 mm (2 in) on the turret and upper sides and 30 mm (1.18 in) elsewhere. Panthers and T-34s had to preform with the equivalent to suicide orders the German would not retreat and the Soviets would not stop. First operational ones appeared in Italy. If you’d like to support us and help us publish articles faster, please consider donating on our Patreon campaign or on Paypal. Most of all, it featured the new liquid-cooled Ford V8 500 hp engine, which was capable of giving a top speed of 42 km/h on road (26 mph), and a 209 km (130 mi) range. Hello Officer, BUT tommy cookers is appropriate, the third paragraph down says china twice unecassarily. Or should I say 113.3 gal/100mi? The name “Achilles”, which is more associated with the 17 pdr SP M10, was adopted in Jan 1945 for all M10 variants. The “Easy Eight” was retained in service long after the war and saw service in Korea and Vietnam, as well as in many foreign armies. Sherman, RP Hunnicutt page 212. Destroying the Panthers: The Effect of Allied Combat Action on I./SS Panzer Regiment 12 in Normandy, 1944, this was produced by Canadian Military History . If the Panther wasn’t superior to the Sherman than why did that famous fight between a Panther and a highly modified T-26 with the extra 80 mm frontal hull armor from a Panther welded to hull and gun mount with the extra long 90 MM gun take place after said Panther took out two Shermans? Did the Canadians use Sherman Mk. M4 Crocodile: British modified M4s along the same lines as the Churchill Crocodile, for the US 2nd Armored Division. If I recall correctly, the name “Wolverine” was never recorded in any official documents. Operational analysis at the time quotes 2 Sherman’s were required to succeed against one German tank. The offer a wide range of diecast military vehicles, aircraft and figures from both WWII and Modern time periods. The Division was the first to enter Paris operating with 4th US ID and 79th US ID. This was a form of early spaced armor. Great article though! I need. Readers will grasp that the exotic words in italics are French and those with broader reading will recognise the title of a distinguished corps of the French army. Thus a gun with a short barrel firing low velocity ammunition still has a respectable A.P. The lower hull was made of large welded parts, although the bogies were bolted to the hull for easier replacement or repair, and the rounded front was made of three bolted steel plates. Expand your Outlook. This was awesome and all but I was looking for a chart that had the info I needed like the wieght and armor stuff like that but I did learn new things. I kicked the Sherman’s butt. Much of this information is available in my book “Fighters, Bombers, Tanks, Wolves: Gitchigumi” which is available at Amazon Books. there is a idea that the eastern front had far more armour than was used against the western allies this depends very much on what month you look at in 1944 /45 a great deal of German armour on the eastern front were stug assault guns and indeed its shocking how little armour there was in say summer 44 with army group centre ,tanks were heading back and forth as needed and most divisions in the east were infantry which there were many with many armed with panzerfauste, I’m reading accounts in french, it seems that the optics of the german tanks were better than the soviets, also nobody here seems to talk about the 88 and the fact that the Tigers and Phanters were exellent in the open country, Knispel killes several T-34s at more than 3000 meters, he said Soviets often missed shots at over 600 mts. Don’t get me wrong i love what you said but give the Sherman some credit man. The reluctant addition of the 76mm/L52 high-velocity gun to the M4-Series did little to obviate the problem by the time it was introduced, although its poorer infantry gun performance was not an issue with the many M4 variants armed with the 75mm/L40 in service alongside it. But facts that are “revisionist”, like claiming that the M4 General Sherman’s armour was proof against the KwK36 and KwK42, must be supported by reference to documents. . The Sherman had good mobility, better than the latter Panzer IV I believe. The 76 mm (3 in) frontal glacis just couldn’t stop the most recent German AT guns, not to mention the sides, just 50 mm (1.97 in) thick. 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In fact, the M7 Priest was one of the most widely used SPGs during this particular campaign. Thankfully, the Soviet Union destroyed the German Army, or the M4s reputation would be far blacker. Some pictures seems to show an different colour of American, British and Canadian Armour, i love this website and this is mi favorite tank. Very little evidence that all else being equal was even possible given the gross differences in fielded numbers of Panthers vs Allied Shermans and Russian T-34s yet both the Panther and Tigers racked up an impressive kill ratio against Allied and Russian tanks.