I agree with you, that has developed over years and must be in place. Mr Koko: No. You have been in and out of the system. So that is basically charge number 10. I believe that Eskom knows what it owns in the cost-plus mines. We see now how we have mines fighting each other to provide Eskom. In terms of our contract with Tegeta, and I speak under correction, but I don’t think I’m wrong, Tegeta has to inform us because of the conditions in the contract that we would not want to modify. Mr Koko: I am aware of that. And there are requirements for a project manager to manage every contract. That is why you’re taking it so lightly. You know why I did what I did. Mr Koko: I was In Dubai in January 2016 for 4th and 5th. So, they are saying that we did not tell them that we would use particular criteria to evaluate their bid. It is corruption. Did you, together with the CEO at that time, Mr Majila, favour Arriva to get the bulk of the tender? We call it a three-way mission. Are you aware that people still want to persuade the case to go forward? The submission also proposed a prepayment for this contract. Mr Koko: It is correct that we did not have guarantees beyond January 2016. Mr Gungubele: Exactly. I asked for it in writing and I did not receive it. Ms Mazzone: They must be amounting to a lot of money by now? Adv Vanara: If, indeed, what you heard from Mr Molefe’s testimony, it is not difficult, as these people could always go back to the record. I have met Mr Howa; I have met Ashu; I have met Salim Essa. Mr Koko: My apologies, but when I became the internal CE, I found the Board there. The Mafube contract. Eskom responds in its letter dated 14 June 2017. Mr Koko: You say you know it, so I accept it. Contracts to Tegeta grew rapidly from 150 000 tons to 1 500 000 tons. Mr Koko: That is correct. The fact that you were not there, in the name of collective leadership, it is from the inception date of you doing your work where you are employed that you are responsible for what you found there. Mr Koko and his counsel examined the document and had a brief discussion. Adv Vanara: And that at that meeting, in the presence of Mr Salim Essa, Mr Salim Essa wanted to know the procedures to suspend senior executives. I don’t know. Mr Tseli: What was his response from the report that you got? ... 2 roomed house … Adv Vanara: And we know that, in Mr Singh’s testimony, because of the difficulty with the preconditions that had to be met, the case was not advanced, but the guarantee was arranged with ABSA. He resigned in 2018 after being implicated in awarding contracts to a company linked to his stepdaughter. Adv Vanara: During the five-month, even if you include the January, and we are in September, there are no additional coal suppliers that come through the RFP process. Mr Koko: Correct. Mr Dlamini: In the last eight months before you left, what was the story? She asked me three times. Mr Koko: I said to the Committee that on or around 2 December, I was advised by the business rescue practitioners and a representative of Optimum, and you see in my submission I say at least one of them, but I don’t recall who it was, CFO or the Director, and they said we are taking Optimum out of business rescue. Dr Luyenge: Did you facilitate any contract and payment to Trillian? And because there was no other plan made, there was no need. If I was asked to prepare for it, I would have done that because all I would have done would have been to go to Eskom and check the delegations of my authority and check who was acting then. But you don’t have to comment on that. I hear many people say that. I was suspended without privileges. I have consistently owned up to this transaction. Mr Koko: Well, I don’t recall. Your submission to the BTC on 11 April 2016, you are asking for an extension of a contract, which presupposes that there was a contract. What was the basis of that contract? The Committee explained this focus by noting that coal featured heavily in state capture. Mr Koko, you go on holiday with your family. Mr Dlamini: Let’s deal with another issue. “We have done it! Mr Koko: No, I have read it and it is therefore on the record. Adv Vanara: I would have felt the same, so I don’t see anything extraordinary in that. Mr Koko: The transaction that you are referring to needed Section 54 PFMA approval and that power is vested in the Minister and he exercised his powers not to approve it. Mr Koko read the Memorandum (MMK 12) and the Letter of Demand (MMK 13). The criticism stops with you or should we call other junior managers in? In other words, you went to BTC, and you wanted an extension of these contracts by five months. And you continuously said that you refused to take unlawful instructions. The contract is there; it is a valid contract.