At less than 14 ounces fully loaded, and barely longer than a dollar bill, the P17 is concealable for pretty much anyone. The slide has a triangular profile with a flat top and flat-bottomed checkering front and rear. Designed for lightweight, low recoil accuracy, the CMR30 .22 WMR features a nice,... Springfield Armory's Ronin Operator is an attractive, reliable 1911 that's available at a... Give a Gift   The rear sight is Ruger’s copy of the famed, fully adjustable BoMar BMCS, and it’s a robust sight. While Ruger just announced a .45 ACP version of this pistol, the original model was in 9mm and will be far more popular among competition shooters, so we’ll be reviewing it. Ruger SR1911 vs. Colt Competition 01-31-2020, 07:29 PM. I already have the Remington R1 and love it. Ruger 19111 PC Carbine 40 S&W 16.12" 10+1 Black Hard Coat Anodized Threaded Fluted. The front sight has a red fiber-optic insert, and the rear is made by LPA and is all steel and fully adjustable. Black Synthetic 6903 At my club, we had a double plate rack set up on my first range trip with this pistol, and running the racks back to back showed me just how soft-shooting the Koenig 1911 was. Several years ago, Remington acquired Para USA (formerly Para Ordnance) and its designs—including Para’s original wide-bodied, high-capacity 1911. Subscriber Services. I believe Koenig was the first professional shooter who started shooting 9mm at major USPSA/IPSC matches, which had been dominated by the .40 S&W. Now everybody is following in his footsteps, and 9mm 1911s are the hot “new” thing in USPSA’s Single Stack division. Companies known for making polymer-framed high-capacity 1911s are now making steel-framed guns that are bigger and heavier than the original Para, which chugs along under the Remington name now. One of the best buys in a 1911. There is 25-lpi checkering on the front and the back of the frame to keep your hand in place. If the trigger looks a little funky, you haven’t been paying attention to competition trends. The Ruger is a pretty good gun, but in my experience the S&W 1911's are better. The Ruger is a 9mm with a five-inch barrel, designed with input from Doug Koenig, one of the winningest handgun competitors in history. MSRP from $ 649.00. Thread Tools. Koenig is one of the winningest handgun competitors in history, with more than 70 national and world titles across many different disciplines, including the Bianchi Cup and USPSA/IDPA. Print; Oct 18, 2011 #1 . With products made in America, Ruger offers consumers almost 800 variations of more than 40 product lines. doanehead Scout. Model 1911 fans have waited a long time for Ruger to produce this classic pistol, and our technical editor says the wait was worth it. While Doug Koenig’s name isn’t in the title of the SR1911 Competition, it’s all over the pistol—literally, since it’s written on both sides of the slide. Of all the high-capacity 1911s, the Para frame has always been the widest, so Remington has wisely equipped the Tomasie Custom with slim G10 Operator grips from VZ Grips. It has a standard bushing barrel with a full-length stainless steel recoil spring guide rod. The result is a crisp trigger pull that came in at an even four pounds. This is because the magazine well has a replaceable Delrin insert, something that’s been pretty common on competition pistols for a while. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. What they did was add a heavier spring and a titanium firing pin to prevent accidental discharges from dropping the gun. The Sig is a little nicer, with nice factory checkering on the front strap that almost no 1911 that can be purchased for under a grand has. Out of Stock 360° View. Its Dead blow action features a custom tungsten dead blow weight that shortens bolt travel and reduces felt recoil and muzzle rise. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Joined: Jan 27, 2013 Messages: 601 Location: South Florida. Ruger PC Carbine. All Handguns subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. It comes out of the box as you see it, including Magpul sights and ambidextrous, non-reciprocating dual operating handles. Delrin is not only slicker than aluminum, but also after you’ve gouged and dented and just generally beat the snot out of it practicing your reloads, you can simply replace the Delrin insert without having to buy an entirely new mag well or frame. The Tomasie Custom is not as tweaked or polished as some of the similar 1911s you’ll see on the competition circuit, but those are full-house custom guns from small shops and cost twice what the Tomasie does—if not more. I've owend 3 1911s in my lifetime, and they have all been Commander type guns. Ruger SR1911 vs Colt 1991A1 Discussion in 'GSSF' started by big_gun_man, Oct 18, 2011. I think they have. The last 1911 style pistol I owned was my very first pistol in 1992: A Star 9mm Really having a hard time choosing between these two. I am wanting to buy a base gun to eventually have sent off … This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. If you want to compete in certain divisions where a magazine well isn’t legal, the well is held in place by the grips and is easy to remove. The name of the handgun was originated from the time when the U.S army officially adopted the pistol as their official side carry. The top of the slide features wide serrations between the front and the rear sights, adding style plus glare reduction. Well, OK, the SR1911’s modeled after the aforementioned Colt Series 70, a gun from the time when bottoms had bells on them (don’t ask). Cwlongshot … Remington also took in Travis Tomasie, a USPSA national champion and former U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit member who spent a lot of time shooting Para-framed pistols in competition. The result is a rugged handgun with much to recommend, and a real improvement on the 1911 chassis. That's a lot of firepower for a 3.8-pound, semi-auto, collapsible truck gun. - they both have an external extractor, which isn't really an issue with reliability, but I think it kills the classic look that I love the 1911 for. The Ruger PC Carbine features an integrated Picatinny-style rail and in Type III hard-coat anodized for maximum durability. Accuracy was good, as you can see in the accompanying chart. Joined: Jan 9, 2006. When it comes down to value vs. price, I have to go with the Ruger SR1911. It’s got almost a 100-year head start on the almighty GLOCK, and was carried by US forces all the way up until the Beretta 92 (M9) dethroned it as our military’s sidearm of choice back in 1985 or so. Let’s take a look at both, starting with Ruger. Ruger went with a series 70 gun because the majority of the users didn't want a series 80 one. Both the slide and frame are stainless steel, with a nitride finish that has been brushed off the side of the slide for a nice two-tone appearance. Ruger Firebird MQR Holster-Fits SR9/SR40/SR45/AMR 45C/SR1911 $ 15.61 (28) Ruger 3270 LC9s Double 9mm 3.12 7+1 Black Polymer Grip Blued $ 437.00 (26) Ruger 16950 American Ranch Bolt 450 Bushmaster 16.12 3+1 Synthe $ 469.00 (419) Ruger LCP 6+1 .380ACP 2.75" $ 309.00 (16) Ruger American .308 Win. He showed a willingness to lose more points for non-center hits by shooting the less powerful 9mm (Minor Power Factor instead of Major) for the trade-off of higher capacity and lower recoil. Compare. Ruger SR1911 vs. S&W 1911 E 5inch SS. The Ruger is all american made as opposed to the Springfield. Do firearms purchases have to have a “why”? Hi Everyone, I saw many 1911 threads but I didn't see any comparing the Sig 1911 and Ruger 1911. Ruger's New 1911 vs. 1,500-Rounds. While I can't afford a Baer, Wilson, or Nighthawk. Ruger SR1911. The R1 Tomasie Custom is one of those wide-bodied high-cap 1911s, built to Tomasie’s specifications. This is a Ruger Firearms enthusiast's forum, but it is in no way affiliated with, nor does it represent Sturm Ruger & Company Inc. of Southport, CT. FAQ: Last visit was: Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:38 am: It is currently Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:38 am: Board index » Main » Ruger 1911 Pistols. If you're in the market for a 17-round, compact .22LR pistol that's feature packed, then the P17 is definitely an option for you. ...and the Rugers slide and barrel come from the same bar, if that matters! If you are a traditionalist the external extractor is a negative. The SR1911 Competition is a full-size, all-steel 1911 with a five-inch barrel. Some of the pros go with the longer guns because they are heavier for less recoil and have longer sight radii for easier, faster aiming. ©2021 Outdoor Sportsman Group. I've hear surprsingly good reviews about the springfield even with its low pricetag, and something about the 1911 is just sweet. It has a five-inch bull barrel inside a slide with some lightening cuts. The front sight has a green fiber-optic insert. If you rule out a Sig or a S&W based on the fact that it has an external extractor your eliminating two of the best 1911's on the market. Wondering if anyone has experience with the Ruger and the Colt Competition. It’s also worth noting that this 1911, as do all Ruger 1911s, has a plunger tube that’s integral to the frame, so it can’t become unstaked. But the big question is which one is the better one to own. The pistol ships with a waterproof hard case, two 10-round magazines, challenge coin, cleaning cloth, polymer bushing wrench, cable lock and a Ruger Custom Shop Certificate of Authenticity. Simple pistol drills are good, and they're even better when they teach or reinforce a number... Speer's Jared Hinton shows OSG's Lynn Burkhead the new Speer Gold Dot G2 Duty Handgun load. But again, it’s a purpose-built competition gun meant to be as soft-shooting as possible. That's a lot of value added in such a small package. I am saving up for another 1911. Not everyone feels this is necessary, though, and the circuit is still filled with “standard” five-inch guns, and I think Remington and Tomasie—and Ruger—went the smart route with the traditional Government length 1911. Designed for lightweight, low recoil accuracy, the CMR30 .22 WMR features a nice, single-action trigger, ambidextrous dual non-reciprocating operating handles, ambidextrous safety and heel catch magazine release. Ruger PC 40 S&W Carbine, 19111. When I shifted to the USPSA cardboard targets I’d set up to practice my transitions, the double- taps were just as smooth and quick. The pricing at FS is pretty close. That’s true for pocket guns but not in this broad-shouldered specimen. Any thing else … Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. I’ve already mentioned the advantage with the 9mm, but why is the Tomasie gun in .40? Thread Status: Not open for further replies. However, competition being competition, people began realizing heavier guns generally have less recoil, and so now we have come full circle. Both have great triggers, sights, controls and low recoil. Thread Tools. Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 Next > CasterTroy Club Subscribed Club Subscribed. Why lightening cuts on a gun meant for competition? Using the Colt Model 1905 as a foundation, John Browning developed a final version of the soldier’s sidearm, the Model 1911. Ruger® 19111 PC Carbine™ Ruger® 19111 PC Carbine™ W-RUG-19111. The trigger is a three-hole adjustable model, and the hammer is a lightened speed model. The fire-control group is the heart of any 1911, and paired with the flat trigger is a Koenig Shooting Sports low-mass hammer and competition sear, a Cylinder & Slide disconnector, and a hand-tuned sear spring. In my experience the Springfield Milspec is the best bang for your buck. Revolvers have experienced a surge in popularity recently. You’ll see chevron-shaped checkering on the slide, front and back, with “KOENIG” etched on both sides. Handguns editor Scott Rupp fires some Federal Punch .380 defensive handgun ammo into ballistics gel the range for a performance test run. Love the 1911 style as well as revolvers. It has a standard bushing barrel with a full-length stainless steel recoil spring guide rod. Recognizing the increasing popularity of competition shooting, more than a few gun manufacturers have been making handguns for these endeavors. When your life depends on it, you can rely on these seven 9mm defensive loads. It was only a matter of time and that time has come. The Ruger PC Charger is a short, sweet 9mm pistol. Discussion in 'Carolinas 1911 Forum' started by CasterTroy, Apr 23, 2014. Many people, me included, believe TechWell makes the best magazine wells for single-stack 1911s, and the Ruger comes with one right from the factory. Depending on which sport and which division you intend to pursue, one of these guns will meet your needs without having to fork over the cash a true custom gun will cost you. Flat-faced triggers are preferred by many shooters because they feel the same no matter where on the bow you place your finger. Much of my shooting was done with competition-specific ammo, particularly Federal Syntech Action Pistol, which is specifically loaded to make the Power Factors competition shooters must meet depending on their divisions. Well, if you need some convincing, consider the fact that the 1911 is the single most proven and battle-tested pistol design around. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. 704-394-0387 Charlotte, NC • Since 1959. The Para-Ordnance was one of the first—if not the first—factory-built high-capacity 1911s, and it was the lone metal-frame gun of the group. You get an American-made quality package for much less than the Springfield 1911 Loaded. MagnunJoe Member. The new Ruger PC’s keep getting more interesting! Im looking at guns in the $800-1000 range. The low-glare stainless-steel-and-wood Ruger SR1911 is as faithful to the John Browning’s design as Old Yeller was to the Coates family. Ruger's PC Carbine rifle features interchangeable magazine wells for use of common Ruger and Glock magazines. The front sight barely lifted off the plates. Its Dead blow action features a custom tungsten dead blow weight that shortens bolt travel and reduces felt recoil and muzzle rise. Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by DavidB2, Jan 15, 2013. List Price: $649.00 Select your options below to check stock status. We apologize for the inconvenience. More importantly the Ruger has no fire safety block pin stupid thingy so the trigger is a little smoother and crisp. There is a great video on the making of the SR1911 out there. big_gun_man. For more than 70 years, Ruger has been a model of corporate and community responsibility. You can spend the money saved on a set of night sights, a set of grips that suit you, and/or if you like an ambidextrous thumb safety there is one available. In this video we compare the Springfield 1911 Mil Spec, the Remington R1 and the Ruger SR1911. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. Problem with the Sigs are most won't fit standard 1911 holsters. The Remington Tomasie has a bit stouter recoil than the Ruger simply because it’s chambered in .40 and not 9mm. Details . The R1 Tomasie Custom is chambered in .40 S&W and comes with two 18-round magazines. The Ruger is not the smoothest 1911 out of the box, but is the best choice of those three. More weight generally means less recoil, but it depends where the weight is. However I hear the Ruger gp-100 is a hefty, accurate, life-long gun that is hard to beat for the price. Unlike many pistols that claim it but are wrong, the frame of the SR1911 Competition sports a truly undercut trigger guard, with 25-lpi checkering on the frontstrap and mainspring housing. The magazine well opening in the frame itself is nicely beveled. Apr 17, 2019 #42 @Cwlongshot what is the purpose of powder coating bullets? Joined: Mar 8, 2008 Messages: 292. Are you sure you’re on the right website? All times are UTC . All Rights Reserved. She's a straight blow-back tack driver that delivers a ton of fun. The S&W is non-traditional and the Remingtons are pretty rough. In Limited division, where 9mm Major is not legal and high-capacity guns rule the roost, the 1911s winning championships are the guns chambered in .40 S&W because they simply hold more rounds than a .45. Rider's Range looks at a pair of Ruger SR1911 CMD (Commander size) pistols in .45ACP - one on an alloy frame, the other on a stainless steel frame. Wasn't sure. The thumb safety is extended and ambidextrous, and the beavertail is mounted to an Ed Brown-pattern cut on the frame, which means it puts your hand as high as possible on the gun. Of those three, I'd choose the Ruger. Ruger’s is called the SR1911 Competition, and Remington has come out with the 1911 R1 Tomasie Custom. Can anyone clarify regarding the S+W; aside from the external extractor, is it pretty much a 'true' 1911? While fans of the 10mm round rejoice, others may be wondering what the fuss is about so let me explain. MagnunJoe, Apr 20, 2014 #15. Is anyone surprised Ruger added a 10mm pistol to their growing SR 1911 lineup? Reducing the weight of the moving slide means reduced recoil and muzzle rise and faster follow-up shots. The Remington Tomasie Custom is designed and meant to play in that field, while the Ruger is aimed at the single-stack crowd, which now favors the 9mm. That’s a lot more than you get with a standard SR1911, but then again, the Custom Shop Koenig SR1911 costs about twice as much as the average SR1911. If it’s in a reciprocating part, it usually means increased recoil. Dollar for dollar Ruger is a much better value. 704-394-0387. Neither of these factors results in a light trigger pull, so I was shocked that the trigger pull came in at 3.75 pounds. Nothing wrong with an external extractor. The SR1911 Competition is a full-size, all-steel 1911 with a five-inch barrel. Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc. is one of the nation's leading manufacturers of rugged, reliable firearms for the commercial sporting market. Ruger’s latest SR1911 is a bold step. Item #: 113035 Manufacturer: Ruger UPC: 736676191116. Both are good, the Ruger can be had for less and you get so much more than basement priced 1911's for a small amount more. To say it was a joy to shoot would be an understatement. Ruger SR 1911 vs Springfield Loaded - posted in Semi-Auto [Handguns]: Any thoughts or experience with these pistols. You’ll see some top professional shooters using 5.4- and even six-inch high-cap 1911s. Joined May 19, 2013 Messages 621 Likes 2,109. Thanks for clearing that up. Yet there’s not much about this gun that’s plain. Smith & Wesson M&P M2.0 Subcompact Pistol Review, Practice the X Drill to Reinforce Pistol Skills: Here's How, KelTec P17 22LR Pistol – Feature Packed, Accurate & Fun to Shoot, KelTec CMR30 22WMR Review - Compact, Versatile & Fun to Shoot, Springfield Armory Ronin Operator 9mm 1911 Review, Competition 1911 Pistols Tested and Compared, The New Speer Gold Dot G2 Duty Handgun Load, Federal Premium Punch Defensive Handgun Ammo: Reviewed & Tested. Two companies not known for focusing on this segment are taking it one step further, producing “factory custom” 1911s purpose-built for competition. The cold hammer-forged, chrome-moly steel barrel is also heavy contoured with fluting. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > DavidB2 Member. I am looking at a stainless 1911 for a reasonable price. Which one is the best fit for you? The only main difference I saw was that the night sights are included with the Sig 1911. By Dick Metcalf. Koenig joined Ruger a few years ago, and when the company approached him about a pistol for its new Custom Shop, his only request was that if Ruger was going to do build one, the designers needed to do it right. In that time period, it … The barrel has a fully supported chamber, fitted barrel lug and a target crown. Ruger 19111: Ruger's PC Carbine rifle features interchangeable magazine wells for use of common Ruger and Glock magazines. Ruger 19110: Ruger's PC Carbine rifle features interchangeable magazine wells for use of common Ruger and Glock magazines. The body of the mag well is aluminum, but the inside is white. However, Springfield is the gun to have if you only own one … It wears Hogue Piranha G10 grips with just the right amount of grip, and the end result is a pistol that just won’t move in your hand—period. My budddy has a PARA Expert 5 inch that's just … Remington kept its firing pin safety in this competition gun, and the hammer spring is impressively strong. I practiced shooting on the move with the Tomasie, and I liked how its bright front sight tracked easily and its weight helped keep it steady—or as steady as you can get while shooting on the move, which is one of the hardest things to do. The KelTec CMR30 is a .22 Magnum carbine that holds 30 rounds in each of its two flush-fit magazines. At the bottom of the frame you’ll see a huge mag well. So after getting my permit and picking up the g45 and usp, I find myself wanting a good ole 1911. Ruger SR1911 vs Remington 1911R1. The barrel, slide and frame are all hand-fit as befits a gun coming from a custom shop, and the result is a pistol that is tight, smooth cycling and accurate. Ruger made viable improvements on the 1911, including redesigning the plunger tube for permanent attachment rather than staking the tube to the frame. In fact, the R1 Tomasie’s $1,650 price tag is downright cheap compared to most double-stack competition 1911s. http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...4_750001_750051_770151_-1_757752_757751_image. Due to current business levels shipping may be delayed by 7-10 days. It will ease up after a few extended practice sessions. Reactions: Lee C. and Cwlongshot. For a long time those polymer guns were considered to be superior because they were lighter. CALL TO ORDER 800-852-6088 . May 09, 2011 By G&A Staff. Lockup between the bull barrel and the slide/frame is impressively tight, and it takes a bit of effort to rack the slide. You’ve heard the recoil of .40s can be harsh? Messages: 1,031 Likes Received: 2. This is a carry gun, plain and simple. Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by DavidB2, Jan 15, 2013. The others from STI and SV had polymer grip modules attached to stainless steel rail assemblies on which the slide rode. One thing to note: The back of the big magazine well will change your grip angle on the gun, which is not a problem, just something to get used to. The threaded barrel, Picatinny-style accessory rail, ambidextrous safety, ambidextrous magazine release and three (3) 16rd magazines come standard. I'm looking at a RUGER SR1911 LW CMD or Springfield LW Champion in 9mm. The Sturm Ruger SR1911. Joined: Jan 5, 2011 Messages: 367 Location: Wallburg, NC. |   I did test a few defensive loads in both pistols, since it is conceivable someone would want to buy one of these as a carry gun, and either would certainly work for home defense. The cold hammer-forged, chrome-moly steel barrel is also heavy contoured with fluting. The Ruger is a full-size, full-weight competition pistol, deliberately chambered in a lightly recoiling cartridge, with a great trigger. Both the Ruger and Remington are big, heavy guns, purpose-built for competition.